Dr. Kieran O'Keefe

And I can understand that from a human perspective, is that when you have a traumatic experience happen to you,

You either do talk about it, you get the support and you tell the story, or what a lot of people do is they keep it bottled within.

It is a very, very odd moment.

Yes, me too.

Potential evidence in terms of the corroboration, in terms of that radar, yes, it is.

It is picking up on something.

But we're making a leap by saying that it's necessarily alien in nature.

No, they're definitely not making it up now.

And up to now, I would have said yes, potentially, or there's some sort of psychological or environmental influence that could explain it.

but now we've got supporting evidence to show that they saw something in the sky.

Now we've got to establish whether it's an actual UFO, a flying saucer, or it's something else.

Yes, it was.

And I guess it was famous because the nature of the case, we had so many aspects that were just enthralling with so many elements to it.

So many witnesses as well.

Well, that's the key.

We've got multiple witnesses, and I always say that's the holy grail.

We can't discount the possibility that some of those witness statements might be erroneous, there might be misperception, but it does strengthen the case for Betty and Barney.

Do I think it's paranormal?

I think what we've got here is a smorgasbord of psychology and deception.

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