Dr. Luc (Luke) van Loon

Why do we still have those side effects if they're not necessary?

You cannot even attenuate, so you can actually increase muscle mass and strength.

Right.

So it's greatly over-exaggerated that the hormonal changes can be overcome with resistance exercise.

That's the most important thing.

Even if it's not sins, I mean, even if it's disease, it can have so many benefits.

I was just about to say this comes exactly back to the nutrition that we said, like it's not excess carbohydrates.

It's not a high carbohydrate diet.

It's not a high protein diet.

It's not a high-fat diet.

It's excess.

And we talked about the animals overfeeding and that the control group is actually an unhealthy group.

We are unhealthy because we're not exercising enough.

We are actually to be developed where we actually needed the physical activity in order to stay alive, to forage of our foods and to hunt and stuff like that.

And so it's not that... Maybe it's not the exercise is actually the benefit.

It's actually reducing our, exactly what you're saying, reducing our inactivity.

Because you want to keep doing those cold showers?

Yes.

I'm doing this as well.

So, yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, with looking at heart rate variability and stuff like that, I mean, I've been experimenting with that myself as well with the cold showers and the ice baths.