Dr. Mark Hyman

You know, people know who you are generally, and if they don't, you're a basketball player.

If you're somebody listening to health and doesn't know anything about basketball, this guy's one of the OGs.

And people think that success like you have is sort of just talent that you're born with or that it's just kind of lucky.

But, you know, you talk a lot about how it's just a lot of hard work.

And we were just chit-chatting.

You said you were in the gym at 7 this morning.

You were on the court at 8.30.

You've been...

working on a morning.

You have to do the hard work to actually make something yourself in life, right?

Yeah.

Well, you know, I was so touched by, like, reading about your story with your grandfather, Papa Jones, who was the first black-owned service station in North Carolina, and he worked really hard, and he didn't have a lot of employees.

He was the guy who ran the station, and you were his employees.

Probably didn't get paid, but, you know, and you had to show up and change the oil and change the tires and do the work, and that ethic, you know, of just showing up day after day, doing the hard things, is what actually makes people happy.

you know, have a life that it's worth, worth living in a way.

Maybe you can share the story of when your grandfather died.

He was 61.

He was a big influence on your life.

And you had to play a game that next day.

You know, it just shows sort of like the story of your mindset.