Dr. Mark Moyar

Hey, it's great to be with you, Dr. Drew.

Hey, it's great to be with you, Dr. Drew.

Yeah, I joined USAID as a Trump appointee in 2018. And I, for several months, was just an advisor there. And then I was put in charge of an office later that year. And as soon as I was given that job, I was inundated by complaints from people within the office about all sorts of misbehavior. And some of this was just bad management, toxic leadership. But some of it was criminal corruption.

Yeah, I joined USAID as a Trump appointee in 2018. And I, for several months, was just an advisor there. And then I was put in charge of an office later that year. And as soon as I was given that job, I was inundated by complaints from people within the office about all sorts of misbehavior. And some of this was just bad management, toxic leadership. But some of it was criminal corruption.

And the most egregious case that I came across was that my own deputy in the office was the chairman of the board of a company that was getting federal contracts. At the same time, he was a government employee and helping that company get contracts through his job, which is a flagrant violation of conflict of interest.

And the most egregious case that I came across was that my own deputy in the office was the chairman of the board of a company that was getting federal contracts. At the same time, he was a government employee and helping that company get contracts through his job, which is a flagrant violation of conflict of interest.

Yes, it's usually a little more indirect. Or you have your son, Hunter, do it.

Yes, it's usually a little more indirect. Or you have your son, Hunter, do it.

Yeah. I mean, and part of it was that how brazen it was, as you said, you didn't even bother using a family cutout, which is how this often happens. And this person had even gotten permission from government lawyers to do this, which was indication of how corrupt some of these government lawyers were. And so I went to agency officials who were supposed to deal with this kind of thing.

Yeah. I mean, and part of it was that how brazen it was, as you said, you didn't even bother using a family cutout, which is how this often happens. And this person had even gotten permission from government lawyers to do this, which was indication of how corrupt some of these government lawyers were. And so I went to agency officials who were supposed to deal with this kind of thing.

And I said, look, I'm new here, but my employees are telling me all this stuff and it sounds pretty serious. And they said, well, you know, it's commendable that you want to raise this issue. But in reality, most people don't bring these sorts of things up. And they didn't really explain why. And I later found out why. It's because you become the target when you do that.

And I said, look, I'm new here, but my employees are telling me all this stuff and it sounds pretty serious. And they said, well, you know, it's commendable that you want to raise this issue. But in reality, most people don't bring these sorts of things up. And they didn't really explain why. And I later found out why. It's because you become the target when you do that.

But, you know, I said, you know, I came here to drain the swamp. And so we're going to do we should do an investigation. So investigation goes ahead. And things unfold a bit slowly, but to make a long story short, they ended up allowing this corrupt individual to keep his federal job by going to the Department of Defense, where he still works. This is part of their usual shell game they can play.

But, you know, I said, you know, I came here to drain the swamp. And so we're going to do we should do an investigation. So investigation goes ahead. And things unfold a bit slowly, but to make a long story short, they ended up allowing this corrupt individual to keep his federal job by going to the Department of Defense, where he still works. This is part of their usual shell game they can play.

reassign you somewhere to be punishment in the meantime they made this fraudulent accusation against me and then violated my due process rights to get me fired and i've been fighting ever since i'm still in court five years later trying to get this sorted out and is the new administration i get in the book is is chronicling this is that correct

reassign you somewhere to be punishment in the meantime they made this fraudulent accusation against me and then violated my due process rights to get me fired and i've been fighting ever since i'm still in court five years later trying to get this sorted out and is the new administration i get in the book is is chronicling this is that correct

Yeah, the book tells the story up until about the beginning of 2024 when I'd originally hoped to have the book out earlier and the case closed. But part of the nature of this whistleblower retaliation is that they try to string you out because the government has all the lawyers and the money in the world and they know that you don't. And so they hope to drag it out.

Yeah, the book tells the story up until about the beginning of 2024 when I'd originally hoped to have the book out earlier and the case closed. But part of the nature of this whistleblower retaliation is that they try to string you out because the government has all the lawyers and the money in the world and they know that you don't. And so they hope to drag it out.

So, but again, it's been in court for three years. We spent two years trying to get the inspector general to help us. And that's another huge part of the problem. The inspector general at this agency, like so many other agencies, is part of the problem. And they're in cahoots with a lot of these bad, corrupt actors.

So, but again, it's been in court for three years. We spent two years trying to get the inspector general to help us. And that's another huge part of the problem. The inspector general at this agency, like so many other agencies, is part of the problem. And they're in cahoots with a lot of these bad, corrupt actors.