Dr. Martin Abbass

Uh, when I sort of.

doing some commissioning work and I spoke to a colleague GP.

He said, I don't even understand your language, Martin.

I don't understand.

And the same, I sort of, I think the same for this sort of language.

People don't understand what UAP is in some cases.

And certainly disclosure will be a completely new phenomenon.

We need to convene a meeting, potentially this Cygnus-like event.

Once that's happened, the meeting, we kind of move on to a kind of a practice, as it were, even to make it fun, as a fun thing.

Yeah, I think it's just generally getting some acceptance.

I mean, even ontological shock isn't really coined as a DSM term, DSM being that dictionary of mental health conditions.

We don't have that, and it may very well not need to be that, but at least taking it on by the Royal College of Psychiatrists, for example, just to even discuss this phenomenon of paradigm shifting information can cause some kind of psychological harm, and we call it, or rather, I think it was Lang in 1960 called it,

ontological shock actually he's a psychologist um but that aside you know that kind of acceptance we just need more acceptance maybe some research about what that might uh mean how do we measure ontological shock i mean we we give a response about out of nine you know this is how many how much shock someone might have physics the physical or psychological and we kind of do our health needs assessment on that but what is the actual

Have we done some research upon that?

How would we understand how our responses are achieving some improvement?

The harm is there.

We provide a response, a treatment.

How do we know that that's improving things?

How do we not?

we're sort of a little bit in the dark, but we're also knowledgeable and we're trying to get people together so that we can have even more brains in the room.