Dr. Martin Abbass

You know about this.

And I'll give a response and an answer.

So it's becoming a bit more, well, certainly less stigmatizing and a little bit more curiosity is developing.

And I think there's an element about curiosity here.

where clinicians need to be challenged to say, well, look, you know, maybe it's not, maybe they're not traveling here with our known conventional science or whatever, if that's what's happening.

But perhaps you need to be prepared.

You need to be ready.

You don't always see a heart attack every day in the street, but you know what?

You need to be ready.

You're a doctor.

So perhaps maybe you have to have a similar ethos with some, again, high risk, low likelihood.

No one thought that there was going to be a COVID pandemic.

but they sure as hell think about it now and they have to be responsible and respond accordingly.

I would say the same would apply to UOP disclosure, that people have to be responsible and understand that.

And again, if we can get the Royal Colleges to accept it and make it one of these modules that you can learn, then I think that's going to be something that people are going to accept more readily.

Well, the problem with timelines is we don't know if and when it might happen.

So ideally, start as soon as possible.

Ideally, I mean, we write down what are our sort of general outcomes, and John can help me with this, but essentially...

Um, you know, having a, having a convening, a meeting with high level sort of Royal colleges or led at least led by one where people can come and discuss that sort of topic, learn the language.

Cause the language for some people is going to be completely foreign.