Dr. Martin Picard

So pushing aside, which is what biomedicine has done, pushing aside the mind and all of those subjective experiences, I think has been really damaging to understanding the basis of health and understanding what allows some people to be healthy for a really long time and to live long, healthy lives and to live fulfilled lives.

If we think of ourselves as molecular machines,

There is no way we can make sense of this.

And then we have consciousness research that's trying to make sense of this beautiful spectrum of human experience, right?

From like, I can't get up in the morning.

Taking a shower is too difficult, and I'd rather die.

This is one end of the spectrum.

And then the other end is, oh my God, the world is so beautiful.

I'm so grateful.

I feel inspired to be a good person and I can do good in this world.

And then everything in between.

And we're left now.

We don't have a science of this.

We've said this is not science, right?

This is like psychology.

This is woo stuff.

And we can't access this with biomolecular science.

And I think it's true.

I don't have a lot of hope that we will make great inroads in fully capturing the nature of consciousness, the nature of the human experience, the nature of well-being, of what it means to be a fulfilled human being that lives up to their full potential.

I don't think...