Dr. Mary Claire Haver

So what is that kind of in a naturally physiologic state, right?

You don't have a other condition like PCOS, right?

Or an ovarian tumor, adrenal tumor.

What is a normal circulating state?

So we already talked about, really, I think of the goal as 40 to 50 nanograms per deciliter.

I've seen people, you know, quote up to 70 is reasonable to say.

If you look at the literature, I've heard people on other podcasts or big names say up to 80, which is not based on physiology.

At that point, you're now super physiologic.

Right.

Yeah.

Again, this is not over 100.

100%.

So, you know, people are familiar with the condition of PCOS.

Yeah, I had 90.

But 90 was my testosterone level with PCOS.

You don't see people with levels above 100 with PCOS.

What's so interesting about that, though, is, you know, I do see women who have testosterone levels above 100 and they don't have acne and they don't have all the hair growth all over their face.

Well, but it goes to show that, you know, these people with super physiologic levels, I'm seeing them all the time.

Now, oftentimes it's not me that's giving them that dose.

I mean, it never really is, but sometimes I'll give somebody that normal dose and I'll check a level and they're super absorber.