Dr. Matt May

Yes, I have. It's been very helpful to me. A little healthy selfishness.

Yes, I have. It's been very helpful to me. A little healthy selfishness.

And that it would almost certainly include testing, careful measurement of mood to know if you're making progress or not, as well as empathy. careful agenda setting to address motivational barriers to improving, and a whole host of methods, each of which has some small chance of success.

And that it would almost certainly include testing, careful measurement of mood to know if you're making progress or not, as well as empathy. careful agenda setting to address motivational barriers to improving, and a whole host of methods, each of which has some small chance of success.

But we'd want to have not assumed that every person will be responding identically to different methods just because they carry the same diagnosis.

But we'd want to have not assumed that every person will be responding identically to different methods just because they carry the same diagnosis.

Or When Panic Attacks by David Burns.

Or When Panic Attacks by David Burns.

Yeah, it's a strange paradox, right? Because you would imagine that you would want to address your whole life to be able, rather than focus in on one moment, but realizing that our whole life is just a repeating pattern of thinking. And that if we defeat that thinking in one moment, then we have the tools to do it in every other moment. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a strange paradox, right? Because you would imagine that you would want to address your whole life to be able, rather than focus in on one moment, but realizing that our whole life is just a repeating pattern of thinking. And that if we defeat that thinking in one moment, then we have the tools to do it in every other moment. Yeah.

Cool. I have a couple of thoughts. I really like Owen's question. And I think for folks who can successfully do externalization of voices on their own, they're essentially cured, right? That would be a metric of whether or not they're ready to graduate from therapy.

Cool. I have a couple of thoughts. I really like Owen's question. And I think for folks who can successfully do externalization of voices on their own, they're essentially cured, right? That would be a metric of whether or not they're ready to graduate from therapy.

And I would say that it's hard to do that on your own because it's unlikely, not only for the reasons that David mentioned, which is that there will be hidden resistance that will make it such that you wouldn't be motivated to defeat the thought, but often because when most people are trying externalization of voices, they tend towards the defense only responses.

And I would say that it's hard to do that on your own because it's unlikely, not only for the reasons that David mentioned, which is that there will be hidden resistance that will make it such that you wouldn't be motivated to defeat the thought, but often because when most people are trying externalization of voices, they tend towards the defense only responses.

And it's really useful to hear a therapist use the acceptance paradox or the counterattack or just Socratic technique or other methods that might be more effective or more effective in combination. And so often I recommend that my patients make an audio recording of

And it's really useful to hear a therapist use the acceptance paradox or the counterattack or just Socratic technique or other methods that might be more effective or more effective in combination. And so often I recommend that my patients make an audio recording of

of successful externalization of voices that they've done with their therapist and then to play that back and then to practice on their own. And I think in other podcasts, we've mentioned versions of externalization of voices that you do on a folded sheet of paper where one side is your critical thoughts and the other side is your responses.

of successful externalization of voices that they've done with their therapist and then to play that back and then to practice on their own. And I think in other podcasts, we've mentioned versions of externalization of voices that you do on a folded sheet of paper where one side is your critical thoughts and the other side is your responses.

And I have seen that be effective for myself and for many of my patients with a little extra training. They can do externalization of voices on their own. And that's before we had the app. So I think with the app, it would be far more effective.

And I have seen that be effective for myself and for many of my patients with a little extra training. They can do externalization of voices on their own. And that's before we had the app. So I think with the app, it would be far more effective.