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Dr. Matt Walker

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Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And then we had them go through a full night of sleep, or we then sleep deprived them.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And the next day we were measuring their anxiety.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And in those people who are sleep deprived, we were actually measuring the level of anxiety every hour.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

So we could almost get this time lapse photography of what happened to their anxiety state as it unfolded across the sleep deprivation period.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

It wasn't a linear response.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

that the more and more hours that you were awake beyond 16, the more exponential that rise in anxiety became.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

So it wasn't simply a linear dose response curve.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

It was exponential, meaning that there was this hockey-shaped swing up.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And in fact, by the next morning, compared to when you'd had a full night of sleep, the

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

Those individuals were so anxious that almost 50% of the participants in that group who had no signs of anxiety before had a level of anxiety that was so strong that they would reach the diagnostic threshold for having an anxiety disorder.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And that was simply by way of the absence of sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

But again, that brought me back to this notion of this is a good experimental tool for us scientists to understand what is the benefit of sleep when it's present and the absence of sleep when it's not by taking sleep completely out of the equation by way of total deprivation.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

But of course, that's not real life.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

So we did a slightly different study.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

Here, what we did was we tracked individuals essentially in the wild, as it were, just going about their daily lives.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And we had different sleep tracking monitoring equipment on them.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

So we were tracking their sleep from one night to the next, to the next, to the next.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And from one day to the next, to the next, we were tracking their level of anxiety.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And what we found here was that even small perturbations in their sleep from one night to the next to the next accurately predicted that increase or decrease in their anxiety from one day to the next to the next.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

What was the critical ingredient here?