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Dr. Matt Walker

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3487 total appearances

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Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And basically we calculate a change score.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

Has your anxiety the next morning increased, stayed the same, or decreased?

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And then we correlate that with the different stages.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And what we found was that...

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

the electrical quality of your deep non-rem sleep was very much predictive of your dissipation of anxiety overnight and this helped me realize gosh it's much more complex these are beautiful surprises you get from research when you yeah you like

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

You have this hypothesis and you look at, you see REM sleep, no signal of predictive relationship with anxiety.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And I say, of course, because I'm idiotic, rerun the analysis.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

Just go back to raw data and the REM sleep signal was so strong.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

Rerun the analysis and you get exactly the same result.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

It's deep non-REM sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

Great, okay.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

then what is that deep non-REM sleep doing to help dissipate the anxiety?

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

But here again was a commonality with emotion.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

What we found is that the greater the amount of deep non-REM sleep, the greater the re-engagement of your frontal lobe was the next day.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And that was predicting the dissipation of your anxiety the next morning.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

So we really started to understand this sort of critical bi-directional relationship, but it was a very complex one.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

That yes, anxiety can disrupt your sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

And yes, disrupted sleep can predict your next day anxiety.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

But it wasn't the same stage of sleep that we thought before.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Improve Sleep to Boost Mood & Emotional Regulation

It was the opposite.