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Dr. Matt Walker

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Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And then I would say, even if you can fall asleep fine,

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

this factor of waking up in the middle of the night is also related to caffeine.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Why?

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Because caffeine not only can make it harder to fall asleep, not your problem, but it keeps you out of that deep, deep sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And it puts you into a more shallow state of non-rapid eye movement sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And when you are in the shallow state, it's A, easier for you to be woken up.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

But B, and I think more of the problem, it's harder for you to fall back asleep because your brain doesn't necessarily want to go back down into that deep sleep and nor has it come up out of that deep sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So you're not in that wonderful, glorious, thick, treacly sort of sleepy state when you wake up, you go to the restroom, you come back and you just know, oh, this is gonna be great.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

As long as I can fumble my way back to my mattress,

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

I'm going to be asleep within another two minutes going back to it.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Whereas for you, you probably wake up and you feel pretty wide awake.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

I would like to see what happens when we negate that afternoon coffee on the frequency and the duration of those middle of the night awakenings for you.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Yeah.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So caffeine has something that we call a half-life of about five to six hours, meaning that after five to six hours, about 50% of that caffeine is still circulating in your bloodstream and thus your brain.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

That means that caffeine has a quarter-life of somewhere between 10 to 12 hours.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Now, this is on average, and we'll come back to variations later.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

But think of it this way.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

If you're taking a cup of coffee, like you described there, at midday, and then you're going to bed at, let's say 11 or midnight, that would be the equivalent, based on what I've just told you, the quarter life

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

of getting yourself into bed.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And just before you took yourself into bed, you swig a quarter of a cup of coffee and you hope for a good night of sleep.