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Dr. Matt Walker

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Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Auditory.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So acoustic stimulation.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

In a very similar way to...

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

electrical stimulation, where you're trying to target that deep sleep and see if you... A better analogy is probably a metronome.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And you're trying to see if you can kind of force the metronome further over and back and forth with these types of technologies.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

But auditory stimulation came on the map again.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

I think probably Jan Born's group in Germany was some of the first to do this.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

They initially started with the same generalized approach where they would take acoustic tones and they would first assess what is your level of awakening threshold.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So you'd be asleep and they would just have these tones, very light tones, like a sort of a

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And they would gradually increase the volume up and they would look to see what is the point where that volume of the tone wakes you up.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And then they understood your specific threshold, what's called an awakening threshold.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And they would set the volume to a sub awakening threshold.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Great.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So you've got that locked in place.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And now you...

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

start and they did this within the first 90 minutes of people falling asleep they started to play these sub awakening level volume levels of tones but they were playing them at this very slow frequency as if again they're trying to sync and match the slow dancing rhythm of the slow brain waves and

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And sure enough, in that first study, and it was indiscriminate, meaning they just set the tones, like a metronome, set the tone, and then, sorry, set the volume, and then set the cadence of the volume, the speed, the frequency of those tones to just a little bit less than one hertz, a little bit less than one cycle per second.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And then off you drifted to sleep, and they played it for the first 90 minutes, because that's the rich phase of deep sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And they were able to increase the amount of deep sleep significantly.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

The problem in that first study was that they also did a memory test.