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Dr. Matt Walker

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Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

It reaches down into the, it's released from a central part of your brain called the hypothalamus, and it releases down into the brainstem to activate what we call the ascending arousal system or the reticular ascending arousal system of the brain.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And when that lights up, it's like the light switch, which says on for waking brain activity.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And so what was happening was that this orexin up higher up was not forcing the finger of wakefulness on during the day.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So almost instead of a switch, which is what you want, it was more like a dimmer switch.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And you know, when you get to that dimmer switch point right in the middle where it's flickering, it's on, it's off, it's on, it's off.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

That's almost the state in which the narcoleptic brain was because they had a deficiency of orexin.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So that was the orexin story in narcolepsy.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So why is it relevant for insomnia?

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Well, people realized the problem with narcolepsy is that they're asleep during the day when they want to be awake.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

But the opposite problem is true of insomnia patients.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

They want to be asleep at night, but they're awake.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So why don't we selectively develop a drug that goes after this finger that flips the light switch on for wakefulness, but now let's block it at night.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So we flick the switch back in the off position.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

We turn out the lights for the brain and we remove the problem of insomnia, which is excessive wakefulness at night, which is one of its problems, but...

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And therefore, when you remove that indirectly, what comes in its place is this thing called more naturalistic sleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And that's why it's been more favored now as the principal drug.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

It's still not necessarily well known by physicians or it's not very well prescribed.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

It's not very well covered here in the United States, unfortunately, with insurance.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So it's a very expensive option right now.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Health providers will choose not to do that, unfortunately.