Dr. Matthew Hill

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Huberman Lab · How Cannabis Impacts Health & the Potential Risks | Dr. Matthew Hill · 8 Jul 2024 podcast

I've tried suggesting that I think that anyone selling cannabis should undergo a course like this just so that there's some consensus in the informed level that someone who comes in – because a lot of people going to buy cannabis are quite naive about it. And they just – I mean even when we're talking about dosing, what we've talked about with edibles or smoking or how people consume it, like –

You need to have a reliable source of information at the front line that is able to relay that to people. And it becomes very frustrating to me that they have become the main source of information that people go and I'm uncertain of what their level of training is.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think that I just wish, I mean, again, even if this was just like an online course that wasn't that much, but at least had some consensus of information that was the basics about how to, you know, have conversations. And I mean, some of the, our system at least is somewhat provincially regulated.

So like, you know, our organization has worked with like the Ontario group that deals with cannabis distribution, like the OCS, which is Ontario Cannabis Stores, and helped to create some information pamphlets and stuff. Again, it's not the same as a teaching course, but at least it's like these little infographic stuff that kind of like gives people rough breakdowns of things.

and kind of gives you a little bit of information about dosing and understanding things, like especially with something like edibles, how long you should wait, just stuff like this.

I mean, that's the, yeah.

Actually, when I say that- Is she still on the floor in a Colorado hotel? She may have recovered by now.

But like- Yeah, it can become very frustrating. It's just the kind of lack of understanding that exists in this space. And so I think this is one of the reasons why we've really kind of tried to push the public health side of this a lot more. And we have, I mean, there was the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Canada, which does a lot of the organization of these things.

They did kind of put together what I found to be really useful, which, again, could be leveraged in the States. These are all accessible online. It's called the Lower Risk Cannabis Use Guidelines. They kind of tried to create a framework that is similar to how people have done stuff with alcohol. Um, that just kind of goes through.

And a lot of it is this low and slow approach, but it's like, obviously you want no risk. You abstain. If you're going to use, these are the different ways to engage in harm reduction. Um, you know, like obviously oral consumption has, you know, you avoid the issue of lung damage that you could get from smoking.

Um, but then, you know, with oral consumption, you have to be aware of dosing and timing and all these other considerations. But what about vaping? Um,

I think that will depend on exactly what you're vaping. So in the States, I've noticed when people say vaping, they almost exclusively refer to some kind of oil-based product that's in a pen. Yeah. So in those situations, that's going to really heavily depend on what the concentration of THC in that product is.

Now, the other form of vaping that I think is a little bit more common in Canada maybe is vaping of the plant matter itself. And so this is where they have like a vaporizer device that heats the cannabis to a point that will essentially hit the lift point to vaporize THC in the cannabinoids.

Yeah, yeah, like a volcano. I've seen it. Yeah, but it doesn't create any plant combustion. And so there are studies that have been run on that that have shown that you avoid the combustion byproducts. So people don't like exhale carbon monoxide or these other things that we know can be damaging if they're vaping plant matter. that was actually somewhat approved as like a medical device.

Pre-legalization in Canada, cannabis in Canada was only under medical authorization, um, because of the reduced harm associated with vaporizing the plant matter versus smoking it.

Um, that is, I would say as a safe guideline for harm reduction, that if you're going to try and avoid, you know, there's still going to be some issues that happen with vaporization of plant matter, but it's not the same as combustion. So you avoid like some of the other issues that come out when we're talking about, um, oil-based vapor products or whatever they're in.

They're usually in some kind of oil-based solution. Who knows? I mean, we don't have the research on this. Like, we just don't know. I mean, we certainly know, like, there have been some pretty big errors of, like, the things that happen in the States.

Like, there was that problem where all those people developed kind of, I don't know, popcorn lung or that lung inflammation where several people died from vaping products, which seemed to be, like, a byproduct, I believe, of them adding, like, vitamin E acetate or something into the – Because again, everyone just assumes it's inert.

But then when it combusts through the vaporization process, it creates a massive irritant on lung tissue. And so that was just – again, in my mind, this is a problem with a lack of a federal regulatory framework because stuff like this happens. You would not see that on a federal landscape because you would have to go through testing. Like people – it's kind of the Wild West you get down here.

Every state has its own rules. People – there's not really a lot of like regulation of things.

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