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Dr. Matthew Walker

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

Although if you look back at very ancient cultures, so much of their artwork, so much of the sort of left imprint on the world suggests that they were fascinated by dreams and used dreams and gods of dreams.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

So we've always been thinking about

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

what are these things called dreams and can we interpret them but it was really freud who put his seminal works together in 1899 and then published it in 1901 um called the interpretation of dreams and it's probably one of his if not his most famous text and you can unfairly sum it up as um you know if it's not one thing it's your mother when it comes to to freud but

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

In some ways, Freud, with his interpretation attempt, in my mind, was 50% right and 100% wrong.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

Because until the moment that Freud came along, we left the interpretation and the instigation of our dreams to things outside of us.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

Maybe there were comments that it was due to our soul or it was from the gods on high that they would descend down these dream manifestos to us.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

But Freud, full credit, said,

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

was the first person to put dreams front and center into this thing called the brain, the mind.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

So in some ways, Freud shifted dream science from really more of a sort of spiritual, philosophical perspective

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

you know, condition to very much a neuroscience.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

It was of the mind and therefore of the brain.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

And earlier he had, he would try to describe the neural patterns and he had these beautiful drawings of neuronal circuits that could try to explain what was going on.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

But neuroscience was so anemic at the time in terms of its knowledge, he had no chance to do what we can do now.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

So in some ways, it's very unfair of me to criticize him as his theory being non-scientific.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

It is also non-scientific in the very strict sense of the word.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

When we create a scientific theory, just as though he created his interpretation of dreams theory,

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

We allow that theory to be testable, which is to say that a scientific theory is only a scientific theory if it can be falsified or supported.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

But Freud's theory was not a scientific theory.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

It was not something that you could test, and therefore it was not able to be falsified or affirmed.

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GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: The Science of Dreams, Nightmares & Lucid Dreaming

And in some ways, it was Freud's simultaneous downfall and his utter genius.