Dr. Micaela (Dr. Michaela)

And then I was like, wow, it worked really well with this person, although it was arduous.

So I do also want to point out that I'm saying like, oh, yeah, start with the least emotionally evocative thing.

And even the concept of I am only going to keep one cup of pens can feel... To be honest, I have three cups, including an entire cup of highlighters that I don't think I even used much in grad school because very quickly I transitioned into electronic...

So you can't use an actual highlighter.

Have I gotten rid of them?

No.

Do I know if they work?

Also no.

Do I care?

Not right now.

Yes.

Yeah.

But that's a great approach.

I will say, because I mentioned I have one, like all caps, doom pile.

Sometimes the doom piles might be related to something that you don't actually know what to do with it.

And so instead of doing anything, even five minutes, you're like, but I don't even know what I would do in those five minutes.

Yeah.

And so then then your first step is actually how do you find out what to do?

So but to address that doom pile, I actually need to spend five minutes on a podcast or a YouTube video or something to start to learn or call a friend or I don't know.

Right.