Dr. Michael Grandner

So just because you see things in there that might not be perfect doesn't mean they're not fine.

And sleep doesn't have to be perfect to be perfectly fine.

As you were talking about conditioned arousal, what do you think is going to happen when you start obsessing in bed over your sleep metrics?

You're going to start developing arousal.

And so orthosomnia can be a precipitant to insomnia.

And it's going to make your sleep worse.

And then you're going to worry about it more.

Actually, for a lot of those people, a lot of times we'll just say, take it off.

Just take it off.

It's not, it's a net loss for you.

It's not a net gain, but I want, but I want like, you know what?

You can't handle the truth.

I guess it's sort of like, let me teach you how to be happy with the sleep you're getting.

Then you can put the device back on and you're approaching it from a place of happiness and you know, your sleep is fine.

And this is just giving you more information.

It's not, and you know your sleep is fine, as opposed to relying on this information for what it can't give you.

It can't give you those answers.

We don't have that level of precision.

So there's nothing worth worrying about.

I mean, at least, I mean, if you're...