Dr. Michael Grandner

In pharma,

It's because, you know, you can do some of that basic stuff with research and pharma has the deep pockets to do this.

And the reason they do is because they have IP racked around this.

Why drugs are so expensive?

Because it costs about $2 billion to bring a drug to market and 10 years at least.

In supplements, you don't have that IP protection.

You can't patent drugs.

supplement that naturally occurs you might be able to patent a molecule as an as an additive or something but that's extremely rare in the supplement space so supplement companies have no they can't a they can't charge what drug companies can charge they don't have the deep pockets to pay for this research they don't have the ip protection around it which would incentivize them why would why would a manufacturer spend a spend two million dollars on a clinical trial that their competitor could just take the results from and claim as their own like

And NIH, who funds, I mean, people need to understand how absolutely fundamental NIH is to all health research in the US.

I mean, every bit of health research in the US absolutely depends on a healthy NIH.

And NIH...

As much as they fund whatever, I mean, they're dramatically underfunded already compared to the need, but supplements don't seem to ever rate as high enough priority.

Where they're dealing with trying to cure cancer and Alzheimer's disease and sleep apnea and other major health conditions.

And supplements, by definition, don't treat medical conditions.

They promote health, but they don't treat conditions.

Help prevent.

They could.

It's just...

people don't understand how competitive grant applications are for NIH.

And so to survive that competition, studying supplements is really hard.