Dr. Mike Trangle

And again, and so what happened, we saw these huge outbreaks that occurred in Italy and places like that, that had come from China and then to New York City. Why was New York City light up like a light early on? Because they didn't come in the West Coast, came in the East Coast. You cannot effectively basically protect a border. You have to assume that this is going to move. And they move quickly.

And again, and so what happened, we saw these huge outbreaks that occurred in Italy and places like that, that had come from China and then to New York City. Why was New York City light up like a light early on? Because they didn't come in the West Coast, came in the East Coast. You cannot effectively basically protect a border. You have to assume that this is going to move. And they move quickly.

Virus with wings move fast. And so I think that that's one of the things, again, that in our new book, we go into some extent about border issues and say, don't waste your time on it. It's still going to happen. No matter what you do, even if you slow it down a little bit, it won't materially change where you're at three months or five months or six months. Instead, plan for it.

Virus with wings move fast. And so I think that that's one of the things, again, that in our new book, we go into some extent about border issues and say, don't waste your time on it. It's still going to happen. No matter what you do, even if you slow it down a little bit, it won't materially change where you're at three months or five months or six months. Instead, plan for it.

Plan is going to come in. Plan that New York City could get hit hard. Plan that that's going to happen as opposed to thinking, you know, and unfortunately, you Say, oh, we're under control. We got it under control because they weren't sending on the West Coast coming in. OK. Meanwhile, the East Coast was on fire.

Plan is going to come in. Plan that New York City could get hit hard. Plan that that's going to happen as opposed to thinking, you know, and unfortunately, you Say, oh, we're under control. We got it under control because they weren't sending on the West Coast coming in. OK. Meanwhile, the East Coast was on fire.

So I think that's the kind of thing that, again, we can anticipate. Hopefully next time we won't count on the geographical or, you know, country borders as such serving as an efficient wall against a virus. It will not. It will not.

So I think that's the kind of thing that, again, we can anticipate. Hopefully next time we won't count on the geographical or, you know, country borders as such serving as an efficient wall against a virus. It will not. It will not.

You know. To me, contact tracing is... And we wrote several papers on this and regarding this. And we found that there was no value squeezed for the juice once it took off because it was so extensive. It was so out there. And contact tracing was what we were trying to accomplish. Well... We wanted to let people know that they might have been exposed.

You know. To me, contact tracing is... And we wrote several papers on this and regarding this. And we found that there was no value squeezed for the juice once it took off because it was so extensive. It was so out there. And contact tracing was what we were trying to accomplish. Well... We wanted to let people know that they might have been exposed.

And then, therefore, what are you going to do if they're exposed? Well, tell them not to go anywhere, particularly if they get sick. Well, testing was such a problem. And following up all these people was such a problem. You know, at one time in Minnesota, we had over 250 people doing contact tracing. I mean, I couldn't imagine that in public health. I couldn't imagine that. And you know what?

And then, therefore, what are you going to do if they're exposed? Well, tell them not to go anywhere, particularly if they get sick. Well, testing was such a problem. And following up all these people was such a problem. You know, at one time in Minnesota, we had over 250 people doing contact tracing. I mean, I couldn't imagine that in public health. I couldn't imagine that. And you know what?

We likely had very limited impact at all. And so I think that's why by the end of the first year, all government bodies stopped doing contact tracing. It just wasn't effective. It was like, again, taking that garden hose to the 5,000 acre forest fire.

We likely had very limited impact at all. And so I think that's why by the end of the first year, all government bodies stopped doing contact tracing. It just wasn't effective. It was like, again, taking that garden hose to the 5,000 acre forest fire.

Yeah. And I think that's the challenge. I mean, you know, I mentioned earlier about lockdowns. So he wasn't supportive of lockdowns. The vast majority of lockdowns that actually took place were really not lockdowns. They were an illusion. Take, for example, Minnesota. You know, the government, the governor put in place, you know, stay at home order basically from work, except for essential workers.

Yeah. And I think that's the challenge. I mean, you know, I mentioned earlier about lockdowns. So he wasn't supportive of lockdowns. The vast majority of lockdowns that actually took place were really not lockdowns. They were an illusion. Take, for example, Minnesota. You know, the government, the governor put in place, you know, stay at home order basically from work, except for essential workers.

Now that clause was important. Do you know it turned out that about 83% of the Minnesota's workforce is considered a central worker? Now tell me, is that a lockdown? So I mean, part of it was, and the poor governor got hung then with that issue of, oh, look, you shut down the economy. It wasn't they shut down the economy. It was the fact that people were too afraid, period.

Now that clause was important. Do you know it turned out that about 83% of the Minnesota's workforce is considered a central worker? Now tell me, is that a lockdown? So I mean, part of it was, and the poor governor got hung then with that issue of, oh, look, you shut down the economy. It wasn't they shut down the economy. It was the fact that people were too afraid, period.

It didn't matter what the political leader said, okay? They just didn't want to go into public spaces out of fear for getting infected, okay? So to me, that again is just trying to set the facts straight and say, oh, so what makes a difference? What doesn't, okay? And I think you're going to see

It didn't matter what the political leader said, okay? They just didn't want to go into public spaces out of fear for getting infected, okay? So to me, that again is just trying to set the facts straight and say, oh, so what makes a difference? What doesn't, okay? And I think you're going to see