Dr. Mike Trangle

And they did more good, and they still are doing more good than a whole lot of us with all kinds of academic degrees. And, you know, and so I think part of it also is how do you find the trusted voices in your community in that community. And, you know, I would just say, again, one of the greatest successes in the whole pandemic if there were any was the black barbers and hairstylist program.

And they did more good, and they still are doing more good than a whole lot of us with all kinds of academic degrees. And, you know, and so I think part of it also is how do you find the trusted voices in your community in that community. And, you know, I would just say, again, one of the greatest successes in the whole pandemic if there were any was the black barbers and hairstylist program.

And I think that's what we're looking for today is how do we find those kinds of trusted voices that can be informed, that can run the day, okay?

And I think that's what we're looking for today is how do we find those kinds of trusted voices that can be informed, that can run the day, okay?

And when you were getting your news and your updates from that barber chair versus some far right or far left cable TV show, I bet you you're getting a heck of a lot better information in the barber chair than having some talking head on one of those talk shows. I don't know, Clarence, if you want to add to that, but I think that's... Well, no, no, no.

And when you were getting your news and your updates from that barber chair versus some far right or far left cable TV show, I bet you you're getting a heck of a lot better information in the barber chair than having some talking head on one of those talk shows. I don't know, Clarence, if you want to add to that, but I think that's... Well, no, no, no.

Well, as I alluded to earlier in our discussion and talking about my conversation with the late D.A. Henderson and the fact that global population immunity to the pox virus has largely evaporated with the aging population and the fact that we had our last case of smallpox in 1978 and the vaccine ended in 1979. Right.

Well, as I alluded to earlier in our discussion and talking about my conversation with the late D.A. Henderson and the fact that global population immunity to the pox virus has largely evaporated with the aging population and the fact that we had our last case of smallpox in 1978 and the vaccine ended in 1979. Right.

And so imagine that everyone literally born over the last 45 years has never been exposed to either smallpox or to the vaccine. And it turned out that as we realized that once you had protection against smallpox, whether vaccine or clinical illness, you basically had quite good protection against all the other orthopoxviruses, monkeypox, buffalopox, horsepox, et cetera, okay?

And so imagine that everyone literally born over the last 45 years has never been exposed to either smallpox or to the vaccine. And it turned out that as we realized that once you had protection against smallpox, whether vaccine or clinical illness, you basically had quite good protection against all the other orthopoxviruses, monkeypox, buffalopox, horsepox, et cetera, okay?

All these are viruses that can infect humans. And there was very few diseases in the world where there was more widespread immunity in the population because either you got smallpox or you got vaccinated up until 1979, okay? Well, now today we look at the low-income countries and the median age in many of these countries is in the 30s and young 40s.

All these are viruses that can infect humans. And there was very few diseases in the world where there was more widespread immunity in the population because either you got smallpox or you got vaccinated up until 1979, okay? Well, now today we look at the low-income countries and the median age in many of these countries is in the 30s and young 40s.

because that is the population pyramid is there, okay? And, you know, I mean, I can tell you just Kinshasa, for example, you know, which is now at the heart and the DRC of some of these really severe health challenges, you know, working in HIV there in 1985, there were 3 million people living in Kinshasa. Today, Kinshasa has 24 million people and with almost no urban planning going into it at all.

because that is the population pyramid is there, okay? And, you know, I mean, I can tell you just Kinshasa, for example, you know, which is now at the heart and the DRC of some of these really severe health challenges, you know, working in HIV there in 1985, there were 3 million people living in Kinshasa. Today, Kinshasa has 24 million people and with almost no urban planning going into it at all.

And if you've ever been there, it's like, oh my God, And so now once that virus starts spreading either by droplet or by contact, it really moves. And as you pointed out, the idea of borders, let me just give you another example of, you know, I came out strongly opposing border closings for the whole COVID situation saying, you know, it was useless.

And if you've ever been there, it's like, oh my God, And so now once that virus starts spreading either by droplet or by contact, it really moves. And as you pointed out, the idea of borders, let me just give you another example of, you know, I came out strongly opposing border closings for the whole COVID situation saying, you know, it was useless.

It's like taking a garden hose to a, you know, 5,000 acre forest fire, okay? And people said, oh, you don't care. You just, you know, well, we tried to arm ourselves with all this testing on planes coming in on the West Coast. OK, by God, we're going to keep that out.

It's like taking a garden hose to a, you know, 5,000 acre forest fire, okay? And people said, oh, you don't care. You just, you know, well, we tried to arm ourselves with all this testing on planes coming in on the West Coast. OK, by God, we're going to keep that out.

Never thinking about what some of us did think about it, but the hires up didn't, is that that same virus is going to go from China to Europe, to Europe, to the United States. And the whole East Coast was totally left uncovered in terms of that.

Never thinking about what some of us did think about it, but the hires up didn't, is that that same virus is going to go from China to Europe, to Europe, to the United States. And the whole East Coast was totally left uncovered in terms of that.