Dr. Paul Offit
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It's like the Red Queen from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland imagining six impossible things before breakfast. That's, I think, your most powerful argument. And at the end, and that was a packed meeting. I mean, a number of parents came up to me when it was over and said, thank you. They cared. I mean, they had children with autism. They wanted to understand what the cause or causes were.
They didn't want to have other children if it also meant they were going to have autism. What can they avoid autism by not getting a vaccine? So... You're right. I mean, because in the end, they're not gonna look at all the papers that show innate mechanisms by which the cytoplasm destroys DNA. They can't do that. And so, for example, I'll give, oh, sorry, I'm ranting. But I have just one more.
They didn't want to have other children if it also meant they were going to have autism. What can they avoid autism by not getting a vaccine? So... You're right. I mean, because in the end, they're not gonna look at all the papers that show innate mechanisms by which the cytoplasm destroys DNA. They can't do that. And so, for example, I'll give, oh, sorry, I'm ranting. But I have just one more.
They didn't want to have other children if it also meant they were going to have autism. What can they avoid autism by not getting a vaccine? So... You're right. I mean, because in the end, they're not gonna look at all the papers that show innate mechanisms by which the cytoplasm destroys DNA. They can't do that. And so, for example, I'll give, oh, sorry, I'm ranting. But I have just one more.
No, this is very positive. When the varicella vaccine came out, chickenpox vaccine in 1995, I had a number of parents call me and say, I've done my research and I'm not gonna get the vaccine. But what does doing your research mean? To them, what it meant is going online and seeing other people's opinions about the vaccine. That's doing their research, but that's not what research is.
No, this is very positive. When the varicella vaccine came out, chickenpox vaccine in 1995, I had a number of parents call me and say, I've done my research and I'm not gonna get the vaccine. But what does doing your research mean? To them, what it meant is going online and seeing other people's opinions about the vaccine. That's doing their research, but that's not what research is.
No, this is very positive. When the varicella vaccine came out, chickenpox vaccine in 1995, I had a number of parents call me and say, I've done my research and I'm not gonna get the vaccine. But what does doing your research mean? To them, what it meant is going online and seeing other people's opinions about the vaccine. That's doing their research, but that's not what research is.
And if you really want to do the research, you should read the roughly 300 papers that were published at the time on the varicella vaccine, which would have meant that you would have had to have an expertise in immunology, virology, statistics, epidemiology, which few parents have and few doctors have. And so they don't know either really the details of that vaccine, but at least collectively,
And if you really want to do the research, you should read the roughly 300 papers that were published at the time on the varicella vaccine, which would have meant that you would have had to have an expertise in immunology, virology, statistics, epidemiology, which few parents have and few doctors have. And so they don't know either really the details of that vaccine, but at least collectively,
And if you really want to do the research, you should read the roughly 300 papers that were published at the time on the varicella vaccine, which would have meant that you would have had to have an expertise in immunology, virology, statistics, epidemiology, which few parents have and few doctors have. And so they don't know either really the details of that vaccine, but at least collectively,
The FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee and the CDC Vaccine Advisory collectively have read those papers. And they will often have experts on that particular subject. There, we interviewed, we had the dengue vaccine. Are we going to recommend the dengue vaccine for Puerto Rico? So I'm not a dengue vaccine expert.
The FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee and the CDC Vaccine Advisory collectively have read those papers. And they will often have experts on that particular subject. There, we interviewed, we had the dengue vaccine. Are we going to recommend the dengue vaccine for Puerto Rico? So I'm not a dengue vaccine expert.
The FDA Vaccine Advisory Committee and the CDC Vaccine Advisory collectively have read those papers. And they will often have experts on that particular subject. There, we interviewed, we had the dengue vaccine. Are we going to recommend the dengue vaccine for Puerto Rico? So I'm not a dengue vaccine expert.
But they brought on dengue vaccine experts, and at least we read all the papers that were associated with that. So collectively, there is that expertise. But that doesn't work, right? Trust us, we're experts. It doesn't work. And so you just have to find another way to be believable by explaining to me, I think, why these things wouldn't make sense.
But they brought on dengue vaccine experts, and at least we read all the papers that were associated with that. So collectively, there is that expertise. But that doesn't work, right? Trust us, we're experts. It doesn't work. And so you just have to find another way to be believable by explaining to me, I think, why these things wouldn't make sense.
But they brought on dengue vaccine experts, and at least we read all the papers that were associated with that. So collectively, there is that expertise. But that doesn't work, right? Trust us, we're experts. It doesn't work. And so you just have to find another way to be believable by explaining to me, I think, why these things wouldn't make sense.
I mean, what the arguments are against the vaccine don't make sense. Some arguments against vaccines do make sense. I mean, the argument against the oral polio vaccine made sense, right? John Salomon was a true vaccine safety activist. His son was paralyzed and ultimately died from the oral polio vaccine. Can't we use another vaccine? Maybe the oral polio vaccine should have a black box warning.
I mean, what the arguments are against the vaccine don't make sense. Some arguments against vaccines do make sense. I mean, the argument against the oral polio vaccine made sense, right? John Salomon was a true vaccine safety activist. His son was paralyzed and ultimately died from the oral polio vaccine. Can't we use another vaccine? Maybe the oral polio vaccine should have a black box warning.
I mean, what the arguments are against the vaccine don't make sense. Some arguments against vaccines do make sense. I mean, the argument against the oral polio vaccine made sense, right? John Salomon was a true vaccine safety activist. His son was paralyzed and ultimately died from the oral polio vaccine. Can't we use another vaccine? Maybe the oral polio vaccine should have a black box warning.
And people didn't treat him well. They didn't early on. I mean, he would go to these American Academy of Pediatrics national meetings, and he would be in a corner with his group, Informed Parents Against Vaccine-Associated Paralytopolia, which was a tortured sort of acronym that he had, IPAV. But he would have children who were paralyzed by that vaccine, and they didn't like him there.