Dr. Paul Offit

And people didn't treat him well. They didn't early on. I mean, he would go to these American Academy of Pediatrics national meetings, and he would be in a corner with his group, Informed Parents Against Vaccine-Associated Paralytopolia, which was a tortured sort of acronym that he had, IPAV. But he would have children who were paralyzed by that vaccine, and they didn't like him there.

And people didn't treat him well. They didn't early on. I mean, he would go to these American Academy of Pediatrics national meetings, and he would be in a corner with his group, Informed Parents Against Vaccine-Associated Paralytopolia, which was a tortured sort of acronym that he had, IPAV. But he would have children who were paralyzed by that vaccine, and they didn't like him there.

They didn't. They thought he was an anti-vaccine activist, but he wasn't. He was a vaccine safety activist. I mean, it was like a scene out of Kafka's The Hunger Artist, you know, just shoved into a corner and then, you know. not treated well, but he should have been elevated, and he was, and he got his way, and ultimately the CDC gave him an award for his activism.

They didn't. They thought he was an anti-vaccine activist, but he wasn't. He was a vaccine safety activist. I mean, it was like a scene out of Kafka's The Hunger Artist, you know, just shoved into a corner and then, you know. not treated well, but he should have been elevated, and he was, and he got his way, and ultimately the CDC gave him an award for his activism.

They didn't. They thought he was an anti-vaccine activist, but he wasn't. He was a vaccine safety activist. I mean, it was like a scene out of Kafka's The Hunger Artist, you know, just shoved into a corner and then, you know. not treated well, but he should have been elevated, and he was, and he got his way, and ultimately the CDC gave him an award for his activism.

Right. So it's understandable, right? I mean, children get, in the first few years of life, will get vaccines to prevent 14 different diseases, which can mean as many as 27 inoculations in that first few years of life. It can mean as many as five or six inoculations at one time to prevent diseases most people don't see. Using biological fluids most people don't understand.

Right. So it's understandable, right? I mean, children get, in the first few years of life, will get vaccines to prevent 14 different diseases, which can mean as many as 27 inoculations in that first few years of life. It can mean as many as five or six inoculations at one time to prevent diseases most people don't see. Using biological fluids most people don't understand.

Right. So it's understandable, right? I mean, children get, in the first few years of life, will get vaccines to prevent 14 different diseases, which can mean as many as 27 inoculations in that first few years of life. It can mean as many as five or six inoculations at one time to prevent diseases most people don't see. Using biological fluids most people don't understand.

That there's pushback on vaccines makes perfect sense. I get it. But in terms of that issue, which makes sense, right? I mean, How can they handle all this? They're getting just fire bombed with all of these.

That there's pushback on vaccines makes perfect sense. I get it. But in terms of that issue, which makes sense, right? I mean, How can they handle all this? They're getting just fire bombed with all of these.

That there's pushback on vaccines makes perfect sense. I get it. But in terms of that issue, which makes sense, right? I mean, How can they handle all this? They're getting just fire bombed with all of these.

I know he didn't get that right. Sometimes he doesn't get things right. Well, in any case, but if you look just again, the way I tried to make the argument there, one is what you said, which is that, you know, that you are constantly exposed to pathogens. You have 10 times more bacteria on the surface of your body than you have cells in your body.

I know he didn't get that right. Sometimes he doesn't get things right. Well, in any case, but if you look just again, the way I tried to make the argument there, one is what you said, which is that, you know, that you are constantly exposed to pathogens. You have 10 times more bacteria on the surface of your body than you have cells in your body.

I know he didn't get that right. Sometimes he doesn't get things right. Well, in any case, but if you look just again, the way I tried to make the argument there, one is what you said, which is that, you know, that you are constantly exposed to pathogens. You have 10 times more bacteria on the surface of your body than you have cells in your body.

Right, exactly right. I mean, if you really want to scare yourself, just take a swab of your nose and put it on a wet mound on a microscope slide. It's teeming with bacteria. And if you're born without an immune system, severe combined immune deficiency, those bacteria can invade and do permanent harm. So you need an immune system because you're constantly exposed to that.

Right, exactly right. I mean, if you really want to scare yourself, just take a swab of your nose and put it on a wet mound on a microscope slide. It's teeming with bacteria. And if you're born without an immune system, severe combined immune deficiency, those bacteria can invade and do permanent harm. So you need an immune system because you're constantly exposed to that.

Right, exactly right. I mean, if you really want to scare yourself, just take a swab of your nose and put it on a wet mound on a microscope slide. It's teeming with bacteria. And if you're born without an immune system, severe combined immune deficiency, those bacteria can invade and do permanent harm. So you need an immune system because you're constantly exposed to that.

I mean, just trillions of sort of antigens. But the argument I try and make is that, so 100 years ago, we got one vaccine, right? Which was the smallpox vaccine. The smallpox is the largest of the mammalian viruses. So it has 200 structural and non-structural proteins. It's a big virus, okay?

I mean, just trillions of sort of antigens. But the argument I try and make is that, so 100 years ago, we got one vaccine, right? Which was the smallpox vaccine. The smallpox is the largest of the mammalian viruses. So it has 200 structural and non-structural proteins. It's a big virus, okay?

I mean, just trillions of sort of antigens. But the argument I try and make is that, so 100 years ago, we got one vaccine, right? Which was the smallpox vaccine. The smallpox is the largest of the mammalian viruses. So it has 200 structural and non-structural proteins. It's a big virus, okay?