Dr. Phil

I didn't know what you meant by higher church. I thought Jesus built the church. It's his.

That was my point.

That was my point.

That was my point.

Well, so then you had this, well, James said in chapter 2, I believe, that... Faith without works is dead. But right before that, he said even the demons believe, or maybe set about after that. It's like, you've got to have actions. They're like, well, did James miss the memo that the work of God is this, to believe? So you've had this debate for years. You know, is it faith alone?

Well, so then you had this, well, James said in chapter 2, I believe, that... Faith without works is dead. But right before that, he said even the demons believe, or maybe set about after that. It's like, you've got to have actions. They're like, well, did James miss the memo that the work of God is this, to believe? So you've had this debate for years. You know, is it faith alone?

Well, so then you had this, well, James said in chapter 2, I believe, that... Faith without works is dead. But right before that, he said even the demons believe, or maybe set about after that. It's like, you've got to have actions. They're like, well, did James miss the memo that the work of God is this, to believe? So you've had this debate for years. You know, is it faith alone?

I mean, what about James? Why did he say that?

I mean, what about James? Why did he say that?

I mean, what about James? Why did he say that?

Well, right. That is the argument. That's the dichotomy. And so then that's one. We're not solving the arguments today, but— I mean, what I'm saying is the more I read this, I think we're just looking at it through one vein. All these arguments, one vein, which leads to a lot of arguments. And the one vein is kind of is my ticket punched or not? Just what side of this am I going to be at?

Well, right. That is the argument. That's the dichotomy. And so then that's one. We're not solving the arguments today, but— I mean, what I'm saying is the more I read this, I think we're just looking at it through one vein. All these arguments, one vein, which leads to a lot of arguments. And the one vein is kind of is my ticket punched or not? Just what side of this am I going to be at?

Well, right. That is the argument. That's the dichotomy. And so then that's one. We're not solving the arguments today, but— I mean, what I'm saying is the more I read this, I think we're just looking at it through one vein. All these arguments, one vein, which leads to a lot of arguments. And the one vein is kind of is my ticket punched or not? Just what side of this am I going to be at?

Just make sure I get in. And that's kind of what all the arguments are about. What must I do? to get to heaven and not go to hell.

Just make sure I get in. And that's kind of what all the arguments are about. What must I do? to get to heaven and not go to hell.

Just make sure I get in. And that's kind of what all the arguments are about. What must I do? to get to heaven and not go to hell.

Well, that's kind of where I was getting at. I don't think his point was to bring up all these arguments for these two groups.

Well, that's kind of where I was getting at. I don't think his point was to bring up all these arguments for these two groups.

Well, that's kind of where I was getting at. I don't think his point was to bring up all these arguments for these two groups.

But you say that, Zach, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, which is what John 6 is about. But I think a lot of people out there, when they hear that, they're like, what does that mean? And I think I have a thought on that, on what it means that we'll reveal as we read this. But I do think it keeps you away from arguments that I really feel like are just a waste of time.