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But you say that, Zach, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, which is what John 6 is about. But I think a lot of people out there, when they hear that, they're like, what does that mean? And I think I have a thought on that, on what it means that we'll reveal as we read this. But I do think it keeps you away from arguments that I really feel like are just a waste of time.
But you say that, Zach, and I agree with that wholeheartedly, which is what John 6 is about. But I think a lot of people out there, when they hear that, they're like, what does that mean? And I think I have a thought on that, on what it means that we'll reveal as we read this. But I do think it keeps you away from arguments that I really feel like are just a waste of time.
I don't think that was the point at all. But I'll give you the next one. I'm doing this off the top of my head. The Judas, that was another one I was going to bring up because he's brought up here. It's like, well, why did Jesus say here in the middle of John 6 that God's will was for him not to lose anything? That he had given him. That's in 29, no, in 39, 639.
I don't think that was the point at all. But I'll give you the next one. I'm doing this off the top of my head. The Judas, that was another one I was going to bring up because he's brought up here. It's like, well, why did Jesus say here in the middle of John 6 that God's will was for him not to lose anything? That he had given him. That's in 29, no, in 39, 639.
I don't think that was the point at all. But I'll give you the next one. I'm doing this off the top of my head. The Judas, that was another one I was going to bring up because he's brought up here. It's like, well, why did Jesus say here in the middle of John 6 that God's will was for him not to lose anything? That he had given him. That's in 29, no, in 39, 639.
This is the will of him who sent me that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. And you're like, well, didn't you lose one? You know, in Judas? And so then here comes an argument. Like, well, he was never in, or God... had already planned for him to do that, you know? And so then you get into the other argument is- He never had a real choice.
This is the will of him who sent me that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. And you're like, well, didn't you lose one? You know, in Judas? And so then here comes an argument. Like, well, he was never in, or God... had already planned for him to do that, you know? And so then you get into the other argument is- He never had a real choice.
This is the will of him who sent me that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. And you're like, well, didn't you lose one? You know, in Judas? And so then here comes an argument. Like, well, he was never in, or God... had already planned for him to do that, you know? And so then you get into the other argument is- He never had a real choice.
Yeah, he never had, which is the other argument in this passage is where, I thought this was fascinating because this is the only time here in John 6 and John 12, this phrase is used, where it says, "'The Father draws people.'" That's in 44. 644, stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
Yeah, he never had, which is the other argument in this passage is where, I thought this was fascinating because this is the only time here in John 6 and John 12, this phrase is used, where it says, "'The Father draws people.'" That's in 44. 644, stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
Yeah, he never had, which is the other argument in this passage is where, I thought this was fascinating because this is the only time here in John 6 and John 12, this phrase is used, where it says, "'The Father draws people.'" That's in 44. 644, stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
So then you get into another argument, which is really, how would you sum that argument up, Zach? The predestination of individuals versus the free will choice or how that works?
So then you get into another argument, which is really, how would you sum that argument up, Zach? The predestination of individuals versus the free will choice or how that works?
So then you get into another argument, which is really, how would you sum that argument up, Zach? The predestination of individuals versus the free will choice or how that works?
Yeah, or what did he mean by how does the Father draw you? Now, there's a terrible translation in this same chapter. And you say, well, Jase, are you some kind of Greek scholar? No, but what I mean by terrible translation, there's a verse in the NIV that says, no one can come unless the Father enabled. That's in verse 65. I'll read that for Jesus in 64.
Yeah, or what did he mean by how does the Father draw you? Now, there's a terrible translation in this same chapter. And you say, well, Jase, are you some kind of Greek scholar? No, but what I mean by terrible translation, there's a verse in the NIV that says, no one can come unless the Father enabled. That's in verse 65. I'll read that for Jesus in 64.
Yeah, or what did he mean by how does the Father draw you? Now, there's a terrible translation in this same chapter. And you say, well, Jase, are you some kind of Greek scholar? No, but what I mean by terrible translation, there's a verse in the NIV that says, no one can come unless the Father enabled. That's in verse 65. I'll read that for Jesus in 64.
He says, yet there are some of you who do not believe for Jesus had known from the beginning, which of them did not believe and would betray him, which were back to the Judas argument. He went on to say, this is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the father has enabled him. The NIV says, but the word is the same word. as give that is mentioned multiple times in this chapter.
He says, yet there are some of you who do not believe for Jesus had known from the beginning, which of them did not believe and would betray him, which were back to the Judas argument. He went on to say, this is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the father has enabled him. The NIV says, but the word is the same word. as give that is mentioned multiple times in this chapter.
He says, yet there are some of you who do not believe for Jesus had known from the beginning, which of them did not believe and would betray him, which were back to the Judas argument. He went on to say, this is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the father has enabled him. The NIV says, but the word is the same word. as give that is mentioned multiple times in this chapter.