Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

And some of those things that you learn by going through difficult journeys that then help you on other different journeys, you know, beyond the thing that you learned the skill in.

That's right.

Did you hear, Nir, about, I think it's about six weeks ago now, there was a story from Australia where a family, a mum and three kids were out just playing at the beach.

They were just going for an afternoon kayak and the wind blew them out.

And they were quite far from shore.

And I think from recollection, a 10-year-old boy,

They decided as a family, the mom was going to stay with the two younger siblings.

I mean, they were going to die basically, they were stuck.

And so the 10 year old boy went off to try and get help, but he had to swim, I think for four hours against current, I think it was two and a half miles.

Very, very, very difficult to do.

I think he started on the kayak and then water came in so he had to discard the kayak.

And he finally did get to shore.

He did manage to phone for help, and then I think he collapsed.

Everyone was safe, right?

I was thinking about that story last night in the context of what you're saying about perseverance.

And I think about that through the lens of both of us are parents.

Surely as a parent, one of the most important things I can give to my children or try and give to my children is this idea that you can overcome things.

You can persist.

Don't give up at the first hurdle.

And I'm guessing that kid must have picked up the idea