Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Your beliefs and your views around the world can influence whether you suffer or not.

So they're not using anesthetic.

I mean, if we think just from a purely medical side effect profile, I mean, not needing to use anesthetic, A, in terms of risks, side effects afterwards, all kinds of things, that is a phenomenal thing to reduce risk before surgery.

But it also does something really, really powerful, which is...

train that individual with a skill that they previously didn't know about.

And as you say, I think in the final few chapters of your book, pills don't build skills, right?

So they may do certain things,

but there's also certain things that they can't do and won't do.

And some of those things that you learn by going through difficult journeys that then help you on other different journeys, you know, beyond the thing that you learned the skill in.

That's right.

Did you hear, Nir, about, I think it's about six weeks ago now, there was a story from Australia where a family, a mum and three kids were out just playing at the beach.

They were just going for an afternoon kayak and the wind blew them out.

And they were quite far from shore.

And I think from recollection, a 10-year-old boy,

They decided as a family, the mom was going to stay with the two younger siblings.

I mean, they were going to die basically, they were stuck.

And so the 10 year old boy went off to try and get help, but he had to swim, I think for four hours against current, I think it was two and a half miles.

Very, very, very difficult to do.

I think he started on the kayak and then water came in so he had to discard the kayak.

And he finally did get to shore.