Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

But it's not suffering.

The suffering comes if you then beat yourself up, go, oh, stupid me, that I can never follow any plan.

It's just information.

I am so tempted to go down a deep rabbit hole on your previous book, Indestructible, here, because it really speaks to what, you know, it's pain avoidance, isn't it?

That is driving most of our behaviors, but I'm not going to because there's plenty more to cover beyond belief, right?

But I think it is totally related to what you just spoke about.

Very much so.

I really want to talk about this idea about choosing beliefs, right?

Because I think there's something very empowering about that.

In chapter nine, which is the chapter on prayer, which we're going to get to, but all I wanted to touch on just now is this idea that you used to pray when you were six.

You know, there was conflicts in the house over money.

You'd go on the concrete and you would speak to God, right?

Those early morning conversations became your sanctuary, but somewhere along the path to adulthood, the connection faded.

And this is the key point for me.

As I developed a more rational, evidence-based worldview, prayer began to feel strange.

And basically this was part of your journey to stop doing it.

And I think this really speaks back to what you said before about facts, beliefs.

And faith.

And faith, right?

It's...