Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

You trained, I think, to become a performance breathwork instructor.

Yes.

Relatively recently.

Under this kind of umbrella of stress and how it can negatively impact our immune system and therefore our health, you mentioned what jujitsu has done for you, which sounds profound.

Can you briefly mention what you feel meditation has done for you?

Is there any research on meditation to your knowledge and what it does for our immune system?

And also then let's talk about breath work and how that can also potentially help.

Have you seen any research on breathwork and or meditation and the immune system?

Or is it more, we know that chronic stress negatively impacts the immune system and we know that meditation and breathwork can help lower the chronic stress.

Or have you seen anything sort of direct?

One thing I've always loved about you, Jen, is I feel you've always taken a very holistic approach to health and wellbeing, which you don't always see with scientists.

And it feels as though you've really taken that on more and more over the last years.

How you just described...

you know, the breath and the diaphragm.

And I've realized over the past few years that your posture plays a huge role in this, because if you've got a forward flex posture, you can have stuck ribs, you can have a stuck diaphragm.

And I think a lot of us don't realize that actually,

if you think about upstream causes, if you have got postural inefficiencies that you're not aware of, that is naturally putting you in a more stressed state.

Your diaphragm isn't as free to move, so you're not going to get as many of those benefits.

So it's these little micro things that...

We're not thinking about enough, are we?