Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

Yeah.

Makes me think now back to the case study I shared with you about the lady with the crones, how much of that improvement also came from her doing a salsa dancing class in a group.

This one I probably hadn't thought about as much.

But I did think about when you mentioned jiu-jitsu, because I did think there's a lot of close contact, right?

And there's a chat called Professor Francis McGlone from the University of Liverpool.

I've known Francis for years.

He's brilliant.

In fact, I think it's time to get him back on the show.

He came on maybe episode 30, maybe like in the first year.

But he was basically talking about...

how we have a touch deficiency in the modern world.

And just to be clear, we're talking about safe, consensual touch.

But he has done a lot of research showing how important that safe, consensual touch is for human beings.

Yes, mother-child, for sure.

But also beyond that, we need it.

And there are certain receptors that actually only get triggered when you give it that touch.

Yeah.

And looking at that through the lens of the immune system, we know that those things are anti-inflammatory.

So of course, that anti-inflammatory component is mediated through the immune system.

And