Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

And we went deep into chronic pain and how, as you say, all pain is real, but pain is created in the brain.

And, you know, you mentioned before with hypnotherapy, didn't you?

Hypnocidation.

Mm-hmm.

you can go into an operation and not really experience the pain.

But someone else who had not done that training would absolutely be experiencing the pain.

Yeah, I wanna talk about that actually.

Just wanna finish off on what you're talking about with the, I guess, the biology of belief.

And you talk about research from...

Is it Dr. Levy?

You basically say here in that chat, which I found remarkable, Levi's research has consistently shown that how we think about aging affects how we age.

And this happens through multiple pathways, cognitive functioning, cardiovascular health, recovery from disability, preventive health behaviors.

And, you know, if you want more detail, they could read it in the book, but it's truly fascinating how important our beliefs are

when it comes to our health.

As a doctor...

I have thought for many years about the pros and cons of labels.

And you do have this section in your book entitled, Labels Are Your Limits.

You've touched on this a little bit already, but I really wanna explore this topic because I think labels, as you can call them, diagnoses if you want through the lens of health, can be a double-edged sword.

They can be liberating and empowering, or they can be entrapping.

So can you speak to this idea?