Dr. Rhonda Barofsky

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, right. That would be your control group. When I started my work as a psychiatric resident, I used hypnosis techniques. I don't know if extensively, but a good bit with patients. And I was doing what you're calling the body scan relaxation. You know, focus on your, clench your fist and now relax it.

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, right. That would be your control group. When I started my work as a psychiatric resident, I used hypnosis techniques. I don't know if extensively, but a good bit with patients. And I was doing what you're calling the body scan relaxation. You know, focus on your, clench your fist and now relax it.

You can feel all the energy draining out, all the tension, all the worries are gone and blah, blah, blah, and go through all the different parts of the body. And we call that hypnosis, but it sounds like not different at all from body scan meditation. Would that be fair? It could be.

You can feel all the energy draining out, all the tension, all the worries are gone and blah, blah, blah, and go through all the different parts of the body. And we call that hypnosis, but it sounds like not different at all from body scan meditation. Would that be fair? It could be.

Oh, I see, yeah. But I like your thinking.

Oh, I see, yeah. But I like your thinking.

Let me ask you another. You ask a question, Rhonda. I have one.

Let me ask you another. You ask a question, Rhonda. I have one.

Okay. I just have to applaud this fascinating work that you're doing. It's really, really fabulous. And it's a joy to hear you present it and talk about it. And the fact that you're doing this, it's really groundbreaking research. And... We can maybe have the five-minute version of this in this foundation meeting coming up later in the fall.

Okay. I just have to applaud this fascinating work that you're doing. It's really, really fabulous. And it's a joy to hear you present it and talk about it. And the fact that you're doing this, it's really groundbreaking research. And... We can maybe have the five-minute version of this in this foundation meeting coming up later in the fall.

And I could present a five-minute version of some of the stuff I've been doing, too, because I think it's very exciting. But I have kind of a naive question. One of the Tuesday groupers who's now pretty much in private practice said, and well-known to our community, brought into the Tuesday group, I would say about, I don't know if you were there that day, Rhonda, it was three or four years ago.

And I could present a five-minute version of some of the stuff I've been doing, too, because I think it's very exciting. But I have kind of a naive question. One of the Tuesday groupers who's now pretty much in private practice said, and well-known to our community, brought into the Tuesday group, I would say about, I don't know if you were there that day, Rhonda, it was three or four years ago.

And it was actually Jacob who brought in some, I think, a loving kindness meditation for us to listen to. Do you remember? Were you there that day? I think so. Yeah. And I remember when listening to it, not only did it give me loving kindness, but it created intense feelings of rage. And I wish I wasn't in this room. And Jill Levitt felt exactly the same way, really.

And it was actually Jacob who brought in some, I think, a loving kindness meditation for us to listen to. Do you remember? Were you there that day? I think so. Yeah. And I remember when listening to it, not only did it give me loving kindness, but it created intense feelings of rage. And I wish I wasn't in this room. And Jill Levitt felt exactly the same way, really.

Not only not helpful, but offended. And, you know, you could say resistant or turned off or whatever. And then sometimes I've heard presentations of guided imagery hypnosis. I think these are just different words for the same phenomenon going on with people. and I think I've also used them with groups.

Not only not helpful, but offended. And, you know, you could say resistant or turned off or whatever. And then sometimes I've heard presentations of guided imagery hypnosis. I think these are just different words for the same phenomenon going on with people. and I think I've also used them with groups.

I've been in groups where we were doing it, and just finding my mind wanting to go over here, and they're trying to push us over here, and just kind of an adverse... And that would be different from non-helpfulness. And do you have any feel for what that's all about?

I've been in groups where we were doing it, and just finding my mind wanting to go over here, and they're trying to push us over here, and just kind of an adverse... And that would be different from non-helpfulness. And do you have any feel for what that's all about?

I felt better when I heard that Jill had the exact same reaction because she and I think very similarly in many ways about certain things. But there's probably just pure speculation there. Could you say your question again? What's the question? Well, the question is, you've talked about bimodal distributions. Yeah. And can you define what that is?

I felt better when I heard that Jill had the exact same reaction because she and I think very similarly in many ways about certain things. But there's probably just pure speculation there. Could you say your question again? What's the question? Well, the question is, you've talked about bimodal distributions. Yeah. And can you define what that is?