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Dr. Rhonda Barofsky

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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And whether you can do this solo, we have the answer to that because I just analyzed data on something like 200 patients the first time they sat down with the app. And so we just have... from them for about the first couple of hours that they were working with the AI to see what would be the effect of that.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And whether you can do this solo, we have the answer to that because I just analyzed data on something like 200 patients the first time they sat down with the app. And so we just have... from them for about the first couple of hours that they were working with the AI to see what would be the effect of that.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And the mean time that they spent on the app, the first time they sat down with it, was 72 minutes. And then we recorded the improvement in seven different negative emotions, depression, anxiety, shame, inadequacy, loneliness, hopelessness, and anger. And all of those emotions went down, I would say, to make a generalization, the mean was slightly over 50%.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And the mean time that they spent on the app, the first time they sat down with it, was 72 minutes. And then we recorded the improvement in seven different negative emotions, depression, anxiety, shame, inadequacy, loneliness, hopelessness, and anger. And all of those emotions went down, I would say, to make a generalization, the mean was slightly over 50%.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

They all went down approximately the same with just a few percents, but it was a little over 50% within roughly one hour. Now, if you compare that,

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

They all went down approximately the same with just a few percents, but it was a little over 50% within roughly one hour. Now, if you compare that,

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

to psychotherapy outcome studies, which are generally just focused on one emotion, like depression, over a period of, say, three months or six months or a year, or a lot of the outcome studies, two years, you see that fewer than 50% of the patients have even a 50% Improvement, you know, after a year and we're getting that within 72 minutes.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

to psychotherapy outcome studies, which are generally just focused on one emotion, like depression, over a period of, say, three months or six months or a year, or a lot of the outcome studies, two years, you see that fewer than 50% of the patients have even a 50% Improvement, you know, after a year and we're getting that within 72 minutes.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

So the answer is yes, you can do great things using the app on your own. But some people are definitely not going to respond to the app or to any single treatment. And they're a trained team therapist or maybe any therapist could help people get unstuck.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

So the answer is yes, you can do great things using the app on your own. But some people are definitely not going to respond to the app or to any single treatment. And they're a trained team therapist or maybe any therapist could help people get unstuck.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And keep in mind, never forget that the 95% of stuckness, when people fail with any type of therapy, it's because of resistance that has not been dealt with or recognized and certainly not eliminated by the therapist. People don't fail because of a lack of methods for the most part. They fail because their subconscious or conscious resistance hasn't been dealt with.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And keep in mind, never forget that the 95% of stuckness, when people fail with any type of therapy, it's because of resistance that has not been dealt with or recognized and certainly not eliminated by the therapist. People don't fail because of a lack of methods for the most part. They fail because their subconscious or conscious resistance hasn't been dealt with.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And then the answer to the externalization of voices, the app, we have trained it to do externalization of voices, and it does a nice job. The app is not yet fully enlightened, and a therapist can never bring a patient to a level higher than what you have achieved because water cannot rise higher than its source.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And then the answer to the externalization of voices, the app, we have trained it to do externalization of voices, and it does a nice job. The app is not yet fully enlightened, and a therapist can never bring a patient to a level higher than what you have achieved because water cannot rise higher than its source.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And the AI that we've trained, it's about maybe 60% enlightened, but it's not in full-blown enlightenment yet. But it still does a beautiful job with the acceptance paradox, the self-defense, and the counterattack technique. And we're now training the app to see if we can get it to full enlightenment, which would be tremendously exciting.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And the AI that we've trained, it's about maybe 60% enlightened, but it's not in full-blown enlightenment yet. But it still does a beautiful job with the acceptance paradox, the self-defense, and the counterattack technique. And we're now training the app to see if we can get it to full enlightenment, which would be tremendously exciting.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And, of course, the thing that it's not quite grasping is the same as the limitation that humans have is the full-blown acceptance. They give a kind of a partial acceptance but not seeing the full acceptance. I could give you examples or something. But it's exciting, and it does a damn good job.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And, of course, the thing that it's not quite grasping is the same as the limitation that humans have is the full-blown acceptance. They give a kind of a partial acceptance but not seeing the full acceptance. I could give you examples or something. But it's exciting, and it does a damn good job.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And it's exciting to think what the implications might be once the word gets out and people start using the app in large numbers. So far, we're not formally announcing its release, but it is available in app stores and in the... You know, both app stores, I should say, the Android and the iPhone. And then we'll have it for computer fairly soon as well.

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
412: Ask David: Give-Get Imbalance; Best Anxiety Treatment; Externalization of Voices; and more

And it's exciting to think what the implications might be once the word gets out and people start using the app in large numbers. So far, we're not formally announcing its release, but it is available in app stores and in the... You know, both app stores, I should say, the Android and the iPhone. And then we'll have it for computer fairly soon as well.