Dr. Rhonda Patrick

Yep.

There's a couple of things I want to talk about with the sauna.

One, what do you think about some of the, I would still say, preliminary at this point literature on using deliberate heat exposure as a way to improve endurance adaptations and improve performance?

Have you seen some of the data?

There's only really one human study that I've seen, lots of animal studies, looking at...

local heat so on humans it was the local heat applied and how it prevented disuse atrophy but like 40 percent yeah yeah and then there's of course tons and tons of animal studies in fact i was talking about the animal studies before the human data came out and i got a lot of pushback for that but i do think it's again in that sense where you can use it on the days where you're you're you're not training as much yeah to help with not only the cardiovascular adaptations that you mentioned but also helping prevent disuse atrophy right yeah yeah you know so yeah like i love heat

Yeah.

Well, it sounds like even for recovery, it might, I mean, that's a benefit if it's increasing the blood flow and, and helping with the delayed onset muscle soreness and things like that.

Yep.

Cold water immersion.

On the other hand, this is something – it's funny because it's really – it's become popular as a recovery tool.

And I don't – there's a lot of people that I've spoken to, friends that –

didn't know it could blunt adaptations, particularly muscle hypertrophy.

And they're like, what?

I'm getting into it after I lift weights.

Let's talk about that.

That's the study they need to do.

It's probably better than lifting and immediately getting into your ice bath.

Probably.

Yeah, let's talk about how you typically handle it.