Dr. Rhonda Patrick

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And now on to my discussion with Dr. Michael Grandner on all things sleep.

I'm pretty excited to be sitting here with Dr. Michael Grandner, who is one of the, I would say, foremost experts in sleep science, behavioral medicine.

And he directs the Sleep and Health Research Program at the University of Arizona.

His research focuses on, I couldn't even tell you everything, it focuses on all things sleep.

But even, I think you're probably, some of your research is some of the first to really kind of throw out this idea as using sleep as a performance enhancer, both athletic performance, cognitive performance.

So I'm super excited to get into that today, as well as a lot of other topics on sleep.

So thank you for coming to the show, Michael.

I as we were talking about earlier, I kind of wanted to start this episode talking about sleep problems.

You know, you've got a lot of patients that come into your your clinic with sleep problems, insomnia being probably one of the most prevalent ones.

When someone comes into your clinic and says, I have insomnia.

What sort of.

data points or clinical features do you kind of look at to distinguish whether or not this person actually has insomnia versus all the other things that could just be causing poor sleep?

And how do you just determine what is the underlying cause of someone's insomnia?

I would imagine hyperaroused nervous system being one of them, but there's probably others.

Can you give an example of that?