Dr. Rhonda Patrick

So let's say, you know, someone has work-related stress or something, right?

And maybe it's a project-related or maybe there's emotional-related stress from a relationship and it does eventually kind of get better and yet they're still kind of having problems falling asleep.

Now, what would be the conditioned stimulus?

Wow.

You've just explained insomnia to me in a way that no one ever has.

And it's like just clicked.

And I'm like, this is... That's what happens.

What happens.

Right.

And so now I completely understand this concept of stimulus control.

Right.

So...

Let's talk about CBTI, cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia.

And obviously there's lots of components to it.

One of them being the stimulus control, which now is like making so much more sense to me.

But let's talk about what that is, why it does work so well for people.

And, you know, and also, you know, back to this whole like training, this negative association, this negative stimulus, you know, where you're like just the act of getting into bed is making you hyper aroused, is giving you anxiety.

Right.

Is that also true then, let's say you do eventually fall asleep, then you wake up, whatever, you have to repeat, whatever it is, it wakes you up, you're hot, and then all of a sudden you're still in that bed and it's like, again, that negative association, right?

And so it's like every time you wake up.