Dr. Rhonda Patrick

And, you know, and also, you know, back to this whole like training, this negative association, this negative stimulus, you know, where you're like just the act of getting into bed is making you hyper aroused, is giving you anxiety.

Right.

Is that also true then, let's say you do eventually fall asleep, then you wake up, whatever, you have to repeat, whatever it is, it wakes you up, you're hot, and then all of a sudden you're still in that bed and it's like, again, that negative association, right?

And so it's like every time you wake up.

Okay.

Let's talk about it.

So do you, I was going to ask you a question about what you think the most important mechanism behind why CBTI works is.

Um, let's say you had, you know, someone that has to work on their stimulus control.

Um, you know, there, there's someone that likes to get into bed.

They have trouble falling asleep.

So they pull out their phone, they're scrolling, they're looking at, you know, social media, whatever.

and maybe they're ruminating.

Like what would be your, how would you approach that?

Like what would be like your two week fix?

And what happens if someone wakes up in the middle of the night and then they're ruminating, can't fall asleep?

So to kind of just, from my understanding, for the stimulus control, like the most important part of it, like for these individuals that do have this

like fear of like not sleeping or like it starts to, you know, they just immediately get like anxiety about it.

The best thing is to surrender or is that like the strongest part of the stimulus control?

Okay.

And so the next part of CBTI that you hear about is this sleep restriction, which sounds awful.