Dr. Richard Hogan

And I said, you've only got another five or six years, seven years, you know, towards your retirement.

Do you want to give it a go here?

And he said, I absolutely do.

But I'm terrified of saying it to my wife.

I'm terrified.

You know, so he was scared of these things.

I said, well, it's going to take a bit of courage here to kind of, you know, live in the interest of your future self and bring that guy into life because he's got a very... Say that expression again.

What did I say?

Exactly, yeah, yeah.

It's a brilliant line.

It's very important because we don't... That's where happiness is, as I see it.

I never see happiness in the moment.

You do a couple of things here, small little things, and then you're happy down the line.

You do a couple of bad things here.

You're miserable down the line.

And I'm always thinking that personally about doing the right interest of my future self and try not to make bad decisions in the now and better decisions in the now.

It doesn't always work out for me, by the way, Ciara.

But so anyway, we were talking about it and I did quote a little bit of proof rock to him.

Of course he did.

Dare disturb your universe.