Dr. Richard Hogan

And when you're in your teens and twenties and all that, you might have a really close because, you know, you you know, you might be in a serious relationship or you're as a platonic friendship, say two lads or whatever it is, or three lads, four guys hanging out in a group.

Yeah, you all hang out together and, you know, and then you move into maybe relationships.

Things get a bit more complicated.

A lot of those, you know, it's like Bob Dylan says, friends will arrive and friends will disappear.

You know, then a lot of our friends in our 20s disappear.

But particularly if they were friends from when you were a child and you grew up together and all of us, that's a huge rejection when the relationship ends.

I think that's a really important part of it.

I think embarrassment is something for sure.

Or just the fact that the friendship ended and there's no, it's kind of inexplicable and you don't understand what's happened, but you can't.

Well, it is kind of, but seriously, I mean, I've actually lived this personally and it's kind of, you're kind of going, well, what the hell was that?

And 20 years of friendship, what was that about?

And you can't even express, you can't even say it because then it's a bit awkward or you're being emotional.

So you're left in this embarrassing nebulous place where you don't know what to say about it.

And so you don't say anything about it.

Yeah, it just ended.

Yeah, kind of strangely.

You know, something I often still reflect on.

What the hell was that about?

What happened there?

Not really because of that nebulous thing, you know.