Dr. Richard Hogan

It intersected with things in my life that happened.

So when I analyze it, I'm thinking, I wonder, was that probably the cause of it?

Yeah.

And there's anger.

You know what I mean, isn't there?

If you felt it, there's anger because there's things that would have happened in your life that you would expect someone that you went to school with, that you were friends all the way through adolescence and in your 20s and, you know, groomsmen at weddings and you know what I mean?

Like deep relationships and then things that that were like really tricky.

You know, your daughter's illness and all the rest of it.

You didn't get something there.

So there's a bit of anger in there.

And yeah, embarrassment, awkwardness.

There's all these, it's a strange, it's a strange thing to kind of to go through, I think, for anyone to experience.

I think most of us experience relationships breaking down.

They are, but people are deeply hurt, I think.

All the time.

All the time.

And this is an intervention.

Open sores of need.

Yeah, but this can be an intervention for all of that hurt, you know, conflict.

cutting off a relationship because whatever's happening for someone in their life and people view someone's success as a failure, their own failure, whatever happens to people.