Dr. Richard Hogan

And I remember asking, what is AIDS?

I remember hearing, I remember thinking that as a kid and asking, and my brother saying to me, oh, that's someone who protects somebody.

He didn't want me to know what AIDS was.

He was like, that's a person, an aid, like who helps somebody.

And I remember going, I don't think that's it.

And going and trying to figure out what that was.

There was no internet to go off and do it, you know, and figure that out.

And I was just trying to figure that out.

And then Freddie Mercury.

And so those things get into you as a kid.

And I suppose what I want to say at the start of this, when I started working clinically many years ago now,

i had all of that stuff in my head and i had this very clear in my head that heterosexuality was this the kind of like the norm the you know the the popular the most say position we have intersexual kind of leaning that was it that was that's what's the norm and then the minority are those who are gay this is what i had as a younger younger man in my 20s that's kind of like the minority right

And then when I started working clinically and I started to see life, you know, you start to see life and I started to grow up and I started to kind of like analyze things a bit more and, you know, become more sophisticated in your thinking.

But I started to think that actually heterosexuality and sexuality.

Being homosexual, absolutely, just being homosexual and heterosexual are probably both in a bit of a minority and everything else exists in this fluid state.

Right.

And we don't want to talk about that.

No one wants to say that because we like to think in absolutes.

And I don't actually think sex for some is an absolute for sure.

I'm not saying it's not.