Dr. Richard Hogan

But I think for the majority of us, it's more of a fluid state.

I kind of do and I think we kind of might brush off it.

Growing up as a teenager, do we all question our sexuality?

I know I did and you think about things.

And kind of fluid and changes.

And so what you feel and what you're attracted to can be a kind of a spectrum.

Exactly.

I mean, in Roman times, they would have had like homosexual relationships.

They wouldn't even be considered, there wouldn't be a word for it.

You know what I mean?

We've created language to kind of label these things

And I suppose I came out of an Ireland and you came out of an Ireland that was like nobody in my class in Douglas boys was gay.

And of course, there was a load of boys in there that were gay.

And so many boys in that class, when I think about that class, particularly died by suicide, at least four died by suicide.

And you have to look back on that and think, that was only a small class.

What the hell was that?

And that's probably that stuff that Tommy heard that they should die roaring or they should all die.

And, you know, that's the stuff that we all and that word gay gets like, you know, I always think that is when I was working in schools, I talked to the lads and, you know, they were saying that's gay because it's changed.

It's transmuted over the years.

I mean, it's meant happy to begin with and then it became meant gay.