Dr. Richard Hogan

P.D.

Savage.

I get it though.

You're trying to pass.

For sure.

And I remember, like, I love hurling.

I used to go to all the hurling matches when I was younger.

And Don Logue was like, you know, one of my idols.

I mean, he was a great cork.

goalie that was a great team you know the Philippines that 2004-2005 team you know all that last time we won the All-Ireland playing Tipperary or Galway actually and I remember going to watch them play because Dunlow came out and I remember thinking what a legend did you

I'm so glad you said that I was actually kind of I hope he hears this podcast I was actually what a legend you know whenever I see him on the radio and he's very he speaks his mind always like what an incredible guy to come out in an environment that was so anti-gay really you know what I mean and I used to hear the slurs in the on the grounds and I'd hear the you know things being said to him I think what an incredible thing and it is difficult because homophobia still exists like it just does and it's not as bad as

It changed.

I think it really changed in 2015 with the marriage equality.

My clinic and all that and working with families and working with couples and all that you see and working with boys in schools and I worked with boys in schools for 20 years and all that.

So you see the trends and what was coming through the door was always about sexuality and always about, you know, that was a big, huge thing.

It was sexuality and being accepted by their family and feeling that maybe their dad was a bit, you know,

masculine and dominant, you know, that traditional kind of dad and wanted a traditional type of son or whatever it is.

And since 2015, I would have said a huge difference in that, you know.

Options.

External stimulation.