Dr. Richard Hogan

And when I say interesting, I mean absolutely insane.

She used to say to us as kids, I love you more if you're gay.

And I remember her saying to her, you must be terribly disappointed.

I used to laugh at her in the kitchen and say, why is there a more part in there?

There you go.

I always said to my wife as well, when they're sick, let's not overly like, you know, money coddle them because you're making dopamine fire.

Florence Nightingale role.

Very posh there.

Exactly.

Well, that's it.

And like, you know, just back on that, I suppose that all of the way we talk about sexuality and how we talk about people on TV and how we talk about people's stories and all the rest of it, how we talk about that, like, I think that was so...

And you did very well.

And I just think that whole thing of like how we talk about people, how we talk about everything, you know, when you're children in the room or you talk about someone in X factory and say, look at the state of her.

Jesus Christ, she should be on a diet.

The way we talk about like they should die, they should die burning in hell.

But that has a part, that's a legacy of how we were.

Where have we gone here, Ciara Kelly?

Okay.

And then slightly aroused.

Well, as you know, as a psychotherapist, whenever you have a really strong reaction to anything, you know, when you cry at an ad or whatever, it's hitting at something there.