Dr. Richard Hogan

And I don't even think succeeding in life is monetary and all that.

But just reaching somewhere where you feel, God, this is what I wanted to do, right?

Because it takes a long time for that to kind of maybe emerge.

And you could be in your 40s because you're so busy building your career

career let's say and your family you know whatever it is you're doing there in your 30s and for early 40s trying to figure out and what i used to all say to me when i work in this field and i've got so many anecdotes i could tell about this that i love you know is that i would never pull the ripcord at in my 40s i wouldn't just decide i'm changing job like that i would like i did for myself i would slowly work my way out of it i always think of andy dufresne and the shawshanker

redemption you know like chiseling away chisel away put something on your cb doesn't have to be a phd now it might be something else that you might be interested in get a little diploma and so just kind of build up your sense of what it is you want to move to but figuring out what it is you want first can be kind of kind of confusing for people but trying to give that a go i don't i fully agree with you and i would have done the same i didn't do the same through take doing courses educational things i took on more and more little pieces of work me too

I didn't even have a clue what I was inching towards.

Some people, but I'm saying when you've got responsibilities, my advice would be like, no, you're going to get to where you want to go to now.

You're going to get there like that.

But it's a bit more incremental because people have sometimes, two things are coming up from there I'm listening to because I love this topic.

People have two kind of things, that they expect it to be instantaneous and that they're going to get what they want immediately.

And I'm kind of going, I don't think it works like that.

So that means slower.

But it's vocational, too.

You don't work, really.

Thrive in change.

I couldn't dance.

You could lift me up.

I could.

I could be Jennifer Grey.