Dr. Richard Hogan

And then I went off and did a HDIP in English because I love English and I was passionate about it.

And I went into teaching and taught English for 20 years and loved it.

But there was always that, you know, talking with students.

I always loved talking with the kid who's having a difficult time trying to help them with their thinking and get them to move towards achieving something, working in that interest of their future self.

I always loved that.

So I went back and retrained many years ago now as a systemic family psychotherapist.

Did a four-year master's in UCD with that.

And then I went on with that and did a PhD in Trinity around intersecting some of the ideas that I was writing about.

Went off to America and a Fulbright scholarship and did some research there.

Came back, gave up teaching, you know, very reluctantly, if I'm being honest, because I love being around the students and all that.

And then went into all that.

And here I am sitting talking to Ciara Kelly.

That's the cutest route to God knows where.

Rip cord, pull.

And I wouldn't advise that.

People used to say to me, and this is a huge thing in Ireland, I think particularly, because, you know, teaching is a pretty good pension.

Yeah, absolutely.

You're giving up that.

And I was thinking, yeah, I didn't even give that a second thought, really.

But the advice I'd always get, and I love this topic, you know, I love the idea of like reaching potential, you know, succeeding in life, you know what I mean?