Dr. Robert Lustig

So we did the opposite at UCSF. We did a study where we took patients with exactly that situation and taught them mindfulness. So yeah, can you explain what that study was? What was the condition?

So we did the opposite at UCSF. We did a study where we took patients with exactly that situation and taught them mindfulness. So yeah, can you explain what that study was? What was the condition?

We took postmenopausal women and we basically taught them how to meditate. So you weren't controlling their food or anything like that? We didn't touch their food. We only taught them to meditate, but we studied them before and six months and 18 months later. And when you say studied, what were you looking at? We were looking at their fat depots. And cortisol as well.

We took postmenopausal women and we basically taught them how to meditate. So you weren't controlling their food or anything like that? We didn't touch their food. We only taught them to meditate, but we studied them before and six months and 18 months later. And when you say studied, what were you looking at? We were looking at their fat depots. And cortisol as well.

We took postmenopausal women and we basically taught them how to meditate. So you weren't controlling their food or anything like that? We didn't touch their food. We only taught them to meditate, but we studied them before and six months and 18 months later. And when you say studied, what were you looking at? We were looking at their fat depots. And cortisol as well.

And cortisol and also insulin and insulin resistance. Exactly. And what we found was that weight didn't change that much. But in the mindfulness group, their belly fat went way down and their insulin levels went way down.

And cortisol and also insulin and insulin resistance. Exactly. And what we found was that weight didn't change that much. But in the mindfulness group, their belly fat went way down and their insulin levels went way down.

And cortisol and also insulin and insulin resistance. Exactly. And what we found was that weight didn't change that much. But in the mindfulness group, their belly fat went way down and their insulin levels went way down.

Exactly. And that correlated with improvement in their metabolic health unrelated to weight. Another reason why this is not about calories.

Exactly. And that correlated with improvement in their metabolic health unrelated to weight. Another reason why this is not about calories.

Exactly. And that correlated with improvement in their metabolic health unrelated to weight. Another reason why this is not about calories.

Indeed. And that's what we showed in this mindfulness study. So it's called the Shine Study. It was run by Rick Hecht and Alyssa Epple, my colleague. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before. She's great. Absolutely. She was the co-PI on this. And we showed that So mindfulness did not change weight.

Indeed. And that's what we showed in this mindfulness study. So it's called the Shine Study. It was run by Rick Hecht and Alyssa Epple, my colleague. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before. She's great. Absolutely. She was the co-PI on this. And we showed that So mindfulness did not change weight.

Indeed. And that's what we showed in this mindfulness study. So it's called the Shine Study. It was run by Rick Hecht and Alyssa Epple, my colleague. Yeah, we've had her on the podcast before. She's great. Absolutely. She was the co-PI on this. And we showed that So mindfulness did not change weight.

It changed health because it got rid of the cortisol, because it got rid of the insulin resistance, because it got rid of the visceral fat.

It changed health because it got rid of the cortisol, because it got rid of the insulin resistance, because it got rid of the visceral fat.

It changed health because it got rid of the cortisol, because it got rid of the insulin resistance, because it got rid of the visceral fat.

Right. What that would do is that would help reduce subcutaneous fat. Which of course is the fat that everyone sees. Right. But it's not the fat you can see that makes you sick. It's the fat you can't see that makes you sick. That's the nugget of truth that people don't want to own up to.

Right. What that would do is that would help reduce subcutaneous fat. Which of course is the fat that everyone sees. Right. But it's not the fat you can see that makes you sick. It's the fat you can't see that makes you sick. That's the nugget of truth that people don't want to own up to.

Right. What that would do is that would help reduce subcutaneous fat. Which of course is the fat that everyone sees. Right. But it's not the fat you can see that makes you sick. It's the fat you can't see that makes you sick. That's the nugget of truth that people don't want to own up to.