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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
849 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

You're not allowed to change the government of another state.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

You're not allowed to impose a garrison or another state.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

All these things that the Athenians used to do and then the Spartans also started doing.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so this is essentially a no empires clause, right?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

There should be no more Greek empires.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And that is obviously something that the Persian king wants, because if the Greeks remain divided and weak, then he can do what he wants.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

But it's also something that most of the Greek states want.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And that's why it's such a stroke of diplomatic genius, is because all of these Greeks are also like, well, I don't want to pay tribute.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So it's great if I can say, if somebody imposes tribute on me, I can just go running to the Persian king and say, he's not obeying the king's peace.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

He's not obeying the autonomy clause.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so this is something that the Greeks themselves will keep referring back to for the rest of the fourth century, as long as the Persian empire is around.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And right up to the end, really, right until even when Alexander is campaigning against them, there are still Greek states that appeal to the Persian king saying, these Macedonians are violating the king's peace.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Because that is, you know, it's illegal according to the treaty.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

The Persians are supposed to support you if this happens.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so they love that clause.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They love that idea.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Except if you're Sparta or Athens and you're used to being a hegemon, you're actually...

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

are really in trouble now because you can't assert your power in the way that you used to.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so the Spartans have this thing where they declare themselves prostates.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They declare themselves the champion of the peace or the guarantor of the peace, which means they go around telling everyone else, like, oh, no, you're violating the king's peace.