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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And the problem is that we don't get any independent attestation of this, right?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So there is nothing in any other source that corroborates it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so the suggestion there is that those two traditions are actually separate.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

You have this unit, which is very effective and has a very sort of historical presence in the campaigns of this period.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

You also have the idea of a unit that is composed of lovers, which is also brought up in Xenophon and in Plato.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

In fact, there's discussion of the idea that this would be really effective, that this would really work.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

But very interestingly, those authors who both lived at the time when the sacred band was around,

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

don't mention the Sacred Band as an example of such a unit, which obviously they should have, right?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It's an argument from silence, but it's very strange that they don't do this.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so the argument there has been that in the same time that the Sacred Band was around, there was an idea that this would have been a really good idea, like a really effective concept,

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And that those two things have become sort of merged in later traditions so that they've become attached to the sacred band, primarily because the Thebans already had kind of a reputation for really liking these pederastic relationships and being a really important part in their social and political sort of maturing, like the process of their upbringing.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so for that reason, there is some doubt as to whether this unit actually was composed of homosexual lovers.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

At the very least, you can say that it has that reputation because the Greeks were thinking about that.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

as an idea and maybe thinking about trying it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And they may or may not have done so, but we can't be certain.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So the idea is that a peace treaty is supposed to finish the Boeotian War.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

The peace treaty has, of course, in conformity with the king's peace, has all the states listed separately.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They want to sign for all of Boeotia, which confirms their hegemony in that region.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Obviously, the Spartans say this is unacceptable, and really it is.