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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And so he's looking at the Spartans thinking, oh, this is curious.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

Like, why do you have it like this?

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And there's all sorts of traditions surrounding the kingship that he can describe because other Greeks just don't know them, don't have them.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

But you also can really tell that his way of telling the history of the Spartans in this period

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

is not a history of political campaigns and motives and policies and conquests and sieges and battles.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

There is some of that, but most of that history, most of the things he's able to tell us are essentially dynastic stories, right?

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

So they're stories about how someone came to be born after a long period of infertility in a marriage, or how someone was exiled after a conflict between their rival king, things like that.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And these stories seem very much like sort of the court stories that we hear about from the Persian empire,

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

They suggest that Herodotus' sources for Sparta were very much these royal households maintaining something of a history of what had gone on with them, which he sort of weaves into his more general narrative about Greek affairs.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

Yeah, so we are always a little bit worried about Herodotus already giving us this kind of image of the Persians that the Greeks really reveled in, right?

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

This idea of these despots with unlimited power who are clearly sort of corrupted by this, right?

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

Who are turned into these men of great sort of loyalty.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

lust and violence and excess and indifference to the lives of their subjects.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

He really does indulge in that in some cases, but there's very much this sense of narrative balance.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

There are good kings and bad kings.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

There is very much this pattern where Cyrus is great, Cambyses is a monster.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

Darius is great, Xerxes is a monster.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

There's very much that sort of back and forth between the fathers are good, the sons are bad, which also recurs in his stories about Greek tyrants.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

So there's always like the first one is actually good and stable and helping people.

The Ancients
Herodotus: The Father of History

And the second one is the despotic excesses of luxury, decadence, and violence.